Recently on “Wait, So is this a Date?” we’re joined by Autostraddle CEO and

L Term

expert
Riese Bernard
to talk about: The Chart. That’s right! This event is about lesbian interconnectivity — setting up with pals’ exes, pals hooking up with the help of our exes, and the tradition produced by what crisis.

Come the news, stay the mental handling. And before that enjoy a game title that tests Christina’s borders: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she generally speaking wouldn’t normally.)

Thank-you for all your great feedback after our very own premiere! If you haven’t yet consider giving us a rating or examine!


PROGRAM NOTES

+ Five years ago Riese come up with an
Old Hollywood information
this is the intersection of most my personal passions.

+ Discover
the essay
I reference where We mention setting up using my roommates.

+ My crush regarding the week Mj Rodriguez released a music video on her behalf tune
“Something to Say”
!

+ As somebody who has only seen a few attacks of

The Nanny

this montage
of Christina’s crush of few days C.C. Babcock was stunning for me when it ended up she and Niles commonly both homosexual. (Christina informs me they essentially nevertheless tend to be.)


Drew:

I would end up being extremely fine with it existing. I’d never include someone else without their own authorization. Nevertheless the concept of every time some one ended up being like, “Confirm that you happen to be connected with me personally,” I would resemble, “Yeah, this is the existence I lived. I do not mind.” Is that weird? Usually problematic?


Christina:

No, since if I becamen’t, I would feel terrible not. I’d end up like, “Wait, I’m not sleeping?”


Theme tune performs


Drew:

Hi, I Am Drew.


Christina:

Hi, I Am Christina.


Drew:

And thank you for visiting

Wait, Is This A Romantic Date?


Christina:


Hold Off, Is It A Night Out Together?

is an Autostraddle podcast asking the big concerns. First, would it be a night out together? Just what are dates? Who will be dates? Do we like times? These represent the kind of questions we answer on this subject right here incredibly specialist and beautiful podcast.


Drew:

My name is Drew Gregory. I’m an author at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, famously, a trans lesbian.


Christina:

I am Christina Tucker. I am in addition a writer at Autostraddle. I am a loud queer on the net. Im improving at explaining me as a writer and, famously, a lesbian. That’s us. That’s who we’re.


Drew:

Yeah. And therefore our primary subject recently could be the Chart.


Christina:

I recently thought it required a sting. I don’t know. That felt actually dramatic, but i do believe it required it.


Drew:

Yes. No, please, please, please. Many thanks, thanks. No, no, no. The right amount of drama.


Christina:

Thank-you.


Drew:

Yeah. Therefore we’re writing about lesbian interconnectivity.


Christina:

Everyone loves that expression given that it sounds like you’ll want to restart the lesbians. It sounds like the web connection isn’t really functioning.


Drew:

Yes. It’s very advanced, extremely innovative, but additionally ‘s been around since there has been lesbians, i do believe.


Christina:

Yeah. I do believe scholars would state once they discovered the most important lesbian fossils, they found a chart alongside of them created to the mud. And that I believe that’s just what that movie means, proper? It’s about the chart? That movie with Kate Winslet in addition to sand fossils?


Drew:


Ammonite?


Christina:

Yeah, that’s what it’s about.


Drew:

I wish

Ammonite

was about cave females. I’d see that lesbian flick.


Christina:

Really, as I have not observed it, I’m going to courageously claim that it had been. Cool.


Drew:

Yeah. Because it’s like we so many lesbian duration parts, but we’ve never gone back that far. And I believe it’s time we carry out.


Christina:

Let us just keep taking it furthermore back in time.


Drew:

Before we get to your primary subject, you are still learning all of us. And I also thought that it would be fun to tackle a-game where you dudes could actually familiarize yourself with Christina. So all of our icebreaker for this week is slightly game that I name “Would U-Haul.”


Christina:

Im, again, very pressured about any of it. This could just be the way in which I come into the game. This might be my game mindset, somewhat high key, somewhat stressed. That is fine. We are all learning.


Drew:

I think that’s great. I do believe that can allow you to be more vulnerable, possibly.


Christina:

One of the best thoughts.


Drew:

Only a terror, only a severe terror. Therefore the way that “Would U-Haul” works is I’m going to explain a situation. Let us call it Christina follower fiction. And that I’m planning pause after each and every little part is like, “Okay, Christina, I’m sure which you have never ever lived with somebody, do not want to accept someone. But under these scenarios, would U-Haul?”


Christina:

And I will possibly state yes or we’ll say, “I’m all set.”


Drew:

If you do not — well, we’ll see here. But i am excited. I do believe I possibly damaged the signal.


Christina:

You damaged the rule? I am thrilled.


Drew:

Let’s find out how long this requires. Of course there is a constant carry out, i do believe you victory? I don’t know how you will find champions here.


Christina:

I am not sure there are champions within the online game of U-Hauling.


Drew:

Really, I don’t know if you’ll go along with that following this. So I’m going to get going.


Christina:

Fair sufficient.


Drew:

Okay. So, Christina.


Christina:

Drew.


Drew:

You are at your friend’s marriage. Despite the plethora of romcoms you’ve soaked up, you did maybe not head to this marriage considering you’ll satisfy any person because, really, this is not a romcom. Here is the real and regular lifetime of Christina Grace Tucker. You’re taking your own assigned seat and generally are glancing at the phone as soon as you realize a female at the table is wanting at you. She presents herself since your friend’s previous baby-sitter. She is remained a buddy associated with the household, but she doesn’t actually know anybody there. She seems like mid-forties features a striking angular face. You set about talking. She proposes to allow you to get a glass or two. As soon as she gets up, you understand she is six feet high, 6′ 3″ in pumps. You understand what? I’m simply probably hold on there and be similar, at this point, would U-Haul?


Christina:

I’m fascinated. I am intrigued because i may get laid during this wedding. But to date I am not U-Hauling everywhere.


Drew:

Cool. That’s entirely fair. Entirely fair. Okay. You spend the whole marriage getting to know each other. There is simply a sudden spark and quick biochemistry. And indeed, you will do hook up and also the gender is amazing.


Christina:

Tight.


Drew:

And therefore this marriage was at Northern Ca. And so you both expand your own remains for three days to shag and explore and consume at restaurants and fuck. And you provide to separate the cost of the today joint room, but she laughs you off and is also like, “Obviously not, honey.” So that the after that three days are magic. You feel the walls tumbling all the way down. You are falling quicker than you actually have actually. Would U-Haul?


Christina:

Thus just for understanding’s benefit, I’m having a tough time picturing a world wherein I took three surprise times from work to go out with a person i really do perhaps not understand. That appears bonkers. But if used to do, good for myself. But I’m simply not U-Hauling at this point. It’s going to be a no.


Drew:

Great. Okay. That is good. You merely found. I get it. I have it. Okay.


Christina:

Thanks so much.


Drew:

So she comes back to ny while go back to Philadelphia.


Christina:

This is where We live.


Drew:

And you’re texting everyday. That’s where you live and it’s really in which this lady resides. And you are texting on a regular basis and also you see each other many times monthly. She’s really busy together with her job, but she is rapid to buy you a train ticket to come see the lady and stay at the woman gorgeous brownstone in Fort Greene. After which half a year go. Plus one evening when you are out over supper, she asks you to relocate together. Would U-Haul?


Christina:

And proceed to Ny? Really don’t really like New York. No, I am not relocating from the 6 months level. I’m not doing that, no.


Drew:

Okay, okay. Entirely, entirely, completely. Wow. Okay. So that you keep dating long-distance. She understands that you may need some time and the woman is ready to wait for you. More several months move. It is now already been over per year. The landlord informs you they are attempting to sell your home to a developer that is putting in apartments, so you can’t restore it. You should discover a location. The today girl tells you that no force, but the woman present however appears. Would U-Haul?


Christina:

Okay. At this time, i might U-Haul for a couple of explanations.


Drew:

Yay! Ok. Kindly tell us.


Christina:

Mostly, in a world wherein my property owner offered the house to develop it, my personal property manager is currently my personal best friend, to ensure that may seem like some thing went wrong inside our friendship. And I may want to only leave Philadelphia anyhow. And if I have to go in with my sweetheart over right here, that seems good. That’s great. Completely good. But yeah, I think i would require an external force like a mean property owner.


Drew:

That’s thus — ok. Used to do genuinely believe that might need to require housing to have there, so I’m pleased We realized that.

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Christina:

Yeah. That’s precisely what has got to affect me initial.


Drew:

Well, i am happy to understand what it takes. Very theoretically, if perhaps you weren’t knocked away, exactly how much more time?


Christina:

Actually, that may have gone on for a long period. Philly and ny commonly also that not even close to both. I managed to get space over right here. We’re moving back-and-forth. We are having good times. I possibly could have let that roll for a long time until i suppose Shoshana becomes the worst individual I know.


Drew:

I did not realize that Shoshana had home. Well, there you are going.


Christina:

There we go. Wow, that was exciting.


Drew:

Well, thanks for playing.


Christina:

I am stressed, becoming clear.


Drew:

And that I’m grateful that i am aware… Maybe if you should be ever before, so if anyone’s ever matchmaking you and wishes that move around in, perhaps your girlfriend informed Shoshana to offer the home for the sake of the union.


Christina:

Truthfully the fastest way — some body would simply have to keep in touch with Shoshana and be want, “only kick the lady out.” And then she’d resemble, “Yeah, sure. Of course.” That could be how it occurred, no matter if she didn’t promote our home. Somebody would just be like, “are you able to only stop the girl out so she’ll only conquer it and move in with me?” And she would say yes. One hundred percent she’d do this. That’s what friendship is actually.


Drew:

Everyone loves that.


Christina:

Yeah, which is really gorgeous.


Drew:

Well, i’m like we discovered a lot about you.


Christina:

Many Thanks. I feel like I learned loads about myself personally, also. Risk of homelessness is actually the matter that keeps myself moving in any scenario, i assume. Wow.


Drew:

Well, that’s great.


Christina:

Which was truly thrilling. I’m equally thrilled to move into all of our major part because i do believe dealing with lesbian connection with this specific visitor, with this unique visitor, i believe it will be incredible, Drew. Exactly how have you been experiencing?


Drew:

I am therefore thrilled. This will be a specialist. And by that, after all an

L Term

specialist, but a little bit of a professional inside subject accessible.


Christina:

In my opinion a couple of things may be genuine, my good friend. I do believe a couple of things is generally genuine without a doubt. Will we want to present our very own guest or can we wish our guest to introduce on their own?


Drew:

I would personally love our very own guest introducing by herself.


Christina:

Guest.


Drew:

I shall declare that our visitor could be the only Riese Bernard.


Christina:

Guest, talk.


Riese:

Hi, I’m Riese. As well as being unusual become the visitor!


Christina:

Yeah, it’s.


Riese:

I’d never to state something. I didn’t even take action. I did so state situations. I experienced to sit right here silently.


Christina:

And you also were really daring. Plus faces had been appreciated.


Riese:

Many thanks much.


Christina:

Though this will be obviously an audio average, i’d like all of our listeners to find out that Riese had been generating some very nice effect faces during “Would U-Haul.”


Riese:

There’s different ways to be heard. You know what What i’m saying is? That is what I always say. I am the Chief Executive Officer of Autostraddle.com. And I’m also on an undefeated kickball team. And that’s me personally. We have a dog called Carol. And I also have actually dated men and women.


Christina:

Congrats from the kickball!


Riese:

Thank you so much. I’ve been involved with folks.


Christina:

Great. Adoring that. That’s great to take to this, this here internet dating podcast. Which is great.


Riese:

Yeah. I believe that… will there be other things?


Drew:

No, i do believe which is great, Riese.


Christina:

What you may wish to share.


Riese:

I like raspberries, the good fresh fruit raspberries, and pools.


Christina:

As opposed to…


Riese:

You Are Aware an individual goes like…


Drew:

Its like once you strike. Yeah.


Christina:

Oh. Those tend to be gross, therefore I just exhausted them from my personal head.


Riese:

Yeah. And that’s all.


Christina:

Great.


Drew:

Well, I instantly looked at you with this subject.


Christina:

That is true.


Drew:

Because first and foremost, demonstrably, queer females and non-binary folks in lesbian neighborhood have been like, I’m not sure, having sex with others which their friends have experienced sex with since long before

The L Keyword

was actually ever a series. But i really do feel

The L Word

solidified a specific cultural notion of the data with Alice Pieszecki. And so I felt like might have a lot of insight into this topic.


Riese:

It’s correct. Two of the article writers, I would like to state, of

The L Word

had this real data of these in addition to their friends they certainly were attracting in the wall or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, In my opinion, ended up being one of these. She talked to united states about any of it, which they had constructed this. Because demonstrably, every person because blogger’s room had banged other individuals from inside the creator — you realize, plus the extended web of these generation of lesbians in la. And so they saw that and they were like, “let us put it from inside the program.” Plus some of those are on the chart. Like, some of the people exactly who … like, genuine people are about data as a tale.


Christina:

That is incredible. That is how you understand you’ve made it.


Riese:

Is not that sexy?


Christina:

That could be fascinating for me personally.


Riese:

So when you haven’t observed

The L Keyword,

firstly, congrats. Second of all, it gets the centerpiece of a single in our direct personality, Alice’s, apartment. She’s all of it over her wall structure. And in addition it may be the title of a website which they started called ourchart.com that flopped. In addition to concept … and it’s really when you look at the pilot, i believe. Inside very first event, Alice starts referring to how everyone’s linked, because everyone’s hooked up because of this person. And I can link you, as if you’re most likely only two degrees away from me. Which ended up being real. Like, despite Dana, that has very restricted experience because she had been a closeted football member, they still were able to connect her. And that’s true to life because it’s correct.


Christina:

That’s tradition. Yeah. That’s what tradition appears to be.


Riese:

Which is society. That’s queer society there. Nowadays every person tends to make their particular charts.


Christina:

Yeah. With the intention that would definitely end up being my after that concern, had been have actually either people made a chart? Because Really don’t believe I have, I am also method of today thinking like, the thing that was this last year resting at my house for easily don’t make a chart? Like, the thing that was the point of that, truly?


Riese:

I think I’ve accomplished it in my log, just like like … Because I really like, I’m not sure, planning information, i suppose, as a thought exercise.


Christina:

Yeah, i believe which is in addition the reason why Im amazed that We haven’t accomplished it. I love the idea of categorizing situations.


Riese:

Right. Yeah. Since it is interesting. I don’t know exactly why it’s so interesting, but it is. It’s fascinating become love, wow, a few of these folks, they may be linked. It’s crazy.


Drew:

On the tv series, as soon as ourchart.com is actually invented, they have a real data that people can add on things. And that I feel like something that you joked when it comes to on

To L and Straight Back,

and then individuals state always is a lot like, when this existed in a real means, no one would put their own labels onto it, no one would feel at ease placing their own labels upon it.


Riese:

You’ll.


Drew:

I would. I’d be very good along with it existing. I might never ever add somebody else without their unique authorization. However the thought of love, every time some one ended up being like, “make sure you’re connected with myself,” I’d end up like, “Yeah, it’s the life I’ve lived. Really don’t worry about.” Is that weird? Is difficulty?


Christina:

No, as if I happened to ben’t, I would feel terrible not being … I would personally wind up as, “hold off, I am not upon it? Like, i am sorry, exactly what?” No, that will in fact send me into a light ethical anxiety about just who i will be as one, the things I’m performing. Have always been we interesting? Would folks {like